The talented singer (Bard 30/Fighter6/Blackguard4 or Bard30/Fighter8/Cleric2)

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  • #1129
    Aquarius

    This build’s aim is to obtain a maxedbard/curse song (lv 30).

    Unfortunately, the required perform skill points can only be obtained through items; however, the intention is to draft a playable melee build (no CHA bards here), able to solo with less issues as possible. Thst is the reason for giving the name “Talented singer”. He has enough talent (skill points), but needs some help in order to be within the best singers.

    So the pc will fully equip him/herself to reach the 100 (modified) skill points, and then will take advantage of the 19 point bonus granted by the song to be able to reach a 25 level song (and a 6 AC increase/decrease).

    Below two different version are listed, one for evil pcs and the other one for good/neutral aligned players:

    • Evil: Bard 30/Fighter 6/ Blackguard 4 (thank you Orion for the suggestion!); and
    • Good/neutral: Bard 30/Fighter 8/Cleric 2

    Each one has its own advantages and disadvantages:

    • Evil: better saves, especially when Charisma is increased, full BAB progression (+1 AB and attack);
    • Good: animal domain, frees one space for feats like improved critical (no need for cleave).

    Both versions focus in light flail, due to my preference; although, considering that keen edge is within the bard spells list, a scimitar/longsword/other slashing weapon could be preferred.

    Finally, the both include “skill focus: perform” within their feats (not enough space for “Artist”): feel free to replace it with other feats, if you can reach 100 points in perfom skill without it (in the module/server where you are playing).

     

    Evil version

    Bard(30), Fighter(6), Blackguard(4), Human

    STR: 16 (30)
    DEX: 8
    CON: 14
    WIS: 8
    INT: 14
    CHA: 15 (16)

    Human: (Quick to Master)
    01: Bard(1): Power Attack, Cleave
    02: Fighter(1): Weapon Focus: Light Flail
    03: Bard(2): Curse Song
    04: Bard(3): STR+1, (STR=17)
    05: Bard(4)
    06: Bard(5): Craft Wand
    07: Bard(6)
    08: Bard(7): STR+1, (STR=18)
    09: Bard(8): Knockdown
    10: Bard(9)
    11: Bard(10)
    12: Bard(11): STR+1, Toughness, (STR=19)
    13: Blackguard(1)
    14: Blackguard(2): {Smite Good}
    15: Blackguard(3): Divine Might
    16: Fighter(2): CHA+1, Blind Fight, (CHA=16)
    17: Bard(12)
    18: Fighter(3): Skill Focus: Perform
    19: Fighter(4): Weapon Specialization: Light Flail
    20: Blackguard(4): STR+1, (STR=20)
    21: Bard(13): Epic Weapon Focus: Light Flail
    22: Bard(14)
    23: Bard(15)
    24: Bard(16): STR+1, Armor Skin, (STR=21)
    25: Bard(17)
    26: Bard(18)
    27: Bard(19): Great Strength I, (STR=22)
    28: Bard(20): STR+1, (STR=23)
    29: Bard(21)
    30: Bard(22): Great Strength II, (STR=24)
    31: Fighter(5)
    32: Bard(23): STR+1, Lasting Inspiration, (STR=25)
    33: Fighter(6): Great Strength III, Epic Weapon Specialization: Light Flail, (STR=26)
    34: Bard(24)
    35: Bard(25)
    36: Bard(26): STR+1, Great Strength IV, Epic Skill Focus: Perform, (STR=28)
    37: Bard(27)
    38: Bard(28)
    39: Bard(29): Great Strength V, Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, (STR=29)
    40: Bard(30): STR+1, (STR=30)

    Hitpoints: 400
    Skillpoints: 281
    Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 27/22/22
    Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +9
    BAB: 27
    AB (max, naked): 40 (melee), 26 (ranged)
    AC (naked/mundane items only): 19/30
    Spell Casting: Bard(6)
    Alignment Changes: 0

    Concentration 40(42), Disable Trap 1(3), Discipline 43(63), Hide 5(4), Listen 30(29), Open Lock 1(0), Perform 43(59), Spellcraft 43(45), Tumble 40(39), UMD 33(36)

    01: Concentration(2), Disable Trap(1), Listen(4), Open Lock(1), Perform(4), Spellcraft(4), UMD(4), Save(6),
    02: Concentration(1), Discipline(4), Save(6),
    03: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(2), Perform(2), Spellcraft(2), Tumble(5),
    04: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    05: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    06: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    07: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    08: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    09: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(2),
    10: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(3),
    11: Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(7),
    12: Hide(5), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5), UMD(1),
    13: Concentration(1), Save(4),
    14: Concentration(1), Save(8),
    15: Concentration(1), Save(12),
    16: Concentration(1), Save(16),
    17: Concentration(1), Listen(4), Perform(4), Spellcraft(4), Tumble(5), UMD(2), Save(3),
    18: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(6),
    19: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(9),
    20: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(12),
    21: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(5), Perform(5), Spellcraft(5), Save(2),
    22: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    23: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    24: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    25: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    26: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    27: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    28: Concentration(2), Discipline(1), Perform(1), UMD(1), Save(2),
    29: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Perform(1), UMD(1), Save(5),
    30: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(3), UMD(1), Save(3),
    31: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Save(5),
    32: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Perform(2), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5), UMD(1),
    33: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Save(2),
    34: Concentration(1), Perform(2), Spellcraft(2), Save(4),
    35: Concentration(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(2), UMD(3), Save(4),
    36: Concentration(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(3), Save(5),
    37: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5), UMD(3),
    38: Concentration(1), Discipline(4), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1),
    39: Concentration(1), Discipline(4), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1),
    40: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),

     

    Good/neutral version

    Bard(30), Fighter(8), Cleric(2), Human

    STR: 16 (32)
    DEX: 10
    CON: 14
    WIS: 8
    INT: 14
    CHA: 14

    Human: (Quick to Master)
    01: Bard(1): Curse Song, Toughness
    02: Fighter(1): Weapon Focus: Light Flail
    03: Bard(2): Blind Fight
    04: Bard(3): STR+1, (STR=17)
    05: Bard(4)
    06: Bard(5): Craft Wand
    07: Bard(6)
    08: Bard(7): STR+1, (STR=18)
    09: Bard(8): Knockdown
    10: Bard(9)
    11: Bard(10)
    12: Bard(11): STR+1, Power Attack, (STR=19)
    13: Bard(12)
    14: Bard(13)
    15: Cleric(1): Divine Might, Domain Animal, Domain Healing
    16: Fighter(2): STR+1, Improved Critical: Light Flail, (STR=20)
    17: Bard(14)
    18: Fighter(3): Skill Focus: Perform
    19: Fighter(4): Weapon Specialization: Light Flail
    20: Cleric(2): STR+1, (STR=21)
    21: Bard(15): Epic Weapon Focus: Light Flail
    22: Bard(16)
    23: Bard(17)
    24: Bard(18): STR+1, Great Strength I, (STR=23)
    25: Bard(19)
    26: Bard(20)
    27: Bard(21): Great Strength II, (STR=24)
    28: Bard(22): STR+1, (STR=25)
    29: Bard(23): Lasting Inspiration
    30: Fighter(5): Great Strength III, (STR=26)
    31: Fighter(6): Epic Weapon Specialization: Light Flail
    32: Bard(24): STR+1, (STR=27)
    33: Bard(25): Great Strength IV, (STR=28)
    34: Bard(26): Epic Skill Focus: Perform
    35: Fighter(7)
    36: Fighter(8): STR+1, Great Strength V, Armor Skin, (STR=30)
    37: Bard(27)
    38: Bard(28)
    39: Bard(29): Great Strength VI, Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, (STR=31)
    40: Bard(30): STR+1, (STR=32)

    Hitpoints: 396
    Skillpoints: 281
    Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 23/22/20
    Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +9
    BAB: 25
    AB (max, naked): 39 (melee), 25 (ranged)
    AC (naked/mundane items only): 20/31
    Spell Casting: Bard(4)
    Alignment Changes: 0

    Concentration 43(45), Discipline 39(60), Listen 43(42), Open Lock 1(1), Perform 43(58), Spellcraft 43(45), Tumble 40(40), UMD 28(30)

    01: Concentration(4), Discipline(3), Listen(4), Open Lock(1), Perform(4), Spellcraft(4), UMD(4), Save(3),
    02: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(6),
    03: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(2), Perform(2), Spellcraft(2), Tumble(5),
    04: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    05: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    06: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    07: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    08: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    09: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    10: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    11: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    12: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    13: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    14: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    15: Concentration(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    16: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(6),
    17: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Listen(2), Perform(2), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    18: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(3),
    19: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(6),
    20: Concentration(1), Spellcraft(4), Save(6),
    21: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Listen(1), Perform(5), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    22: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    23: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    24: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),
    25: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    26: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(3),
    27: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    28: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(1),
    29: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(1), Save(2),
    30: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(5),
    31: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Save(8),
    32: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(4), Perform(3), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(5),
    33: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(3), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1),
    34: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(2), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(1),
    35: Concentration(1), Save(5),
    36: Concentration(1), Save(9),
    37: Concentration(1), Listen(1), Perform(3), Spellcraft(3), Tumble(5), UMD(3),
    38: Concentration(1), Discipline(1), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(3),
    39: Concentration(1), Discipline(2), Listen(1), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(1),
    40: Concentration(1), Listen(3), Perform(1), Spellcraft(1), UMD(2),

     

    On with any comment/suggestion!

    #1131
    Orion

    These look amazing.

    I would try to put divine shield in the builds as +3 to 9 AC can be useful at times, the first one I would drop Toughness to obtain Divine Shield, and adjust the time of the Blackguard Level. I find Expertise helpful as well for +5 AC.

    The second build sadly loses an attack with BAB 25. If you have a pre-epic split (from level 1 to 20) of Bard 12 / Fighter 6 / Cleric 2 you will get BAB 26 and the extra attack.

    I also designed a Bard 30 (surprised I still had another build idea in me) I was thinking of playing myself, will post this separately.

    #1138
    Aquarius

    I get your suggestion about divine shield (although base HP around 360 is a bit low for a melee warrior) and about expertise.

    For the cleric version, I am wondering if is it worth to obtain a fourth attack (that will difficulty be landed) for a damage that will be always dealt….

     

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